Session Start: Sat Dec 26 00:00:00 2009
Session Ident: #glitchpc
[00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here.'
[00:00] * Set by Calum on Wed Dec 09 05:59:26
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[07:39] <Ashley100> ? said my username was already in usee
[07:40] * Ashley100 is now known as Ashley1
[07:40] <Ashley1> wierd it wont let me make it Ashely
[07:40] <Ashley1> Ashley*
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[07:41] <Ashley1> GlitchPC can you help me
[07:41] <@GlitchPC> I'll try
[07:41] <@GlitchPC> What's up?
[07:41] <Ashley1> well i want my own server
[07:41] <Ashley1> to host openfire on
[07:41] <Ashley1> could you help me find one on
[07:41] <Ashley1> www.pcworld.co.uk
[07:41] <@GlitchPC> What is openfire?
[07:42] <@GlitchPC> I live in the US
[07:42] <Ashley1> its like a erm well ill send you the link to openfire
[07:42] <Ashley1> i dont mind the price
[07:42] <Ashley1> i just want to know what server to use
[07:42] <Ashley1> http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/ thats openfire
[07:43] <Ashley1> because i use spark on my network
[07:43] <Ashley1> and openfire needs to be running for them all to login so i want a server to run openfire on
[07:43] <Ashley1> so then they can login whenever they want
[07:44] <@BC_Programming> what's the point of "Spark"?
[07:45] <Ashley1> its an IM so im the technician in my house
[07:45] <@GlitchPC> Have you looked here: http://glitchpc.com/forums/view_hosting_services.htm
[07:45] <Ashley1> and im mainly upstairs
[07:45] <Ashley1> i dont want to pay a monthly hosting
[07:45] <Ashley1> i want a server in my house
[07:45] <@GlitchPC> you looking for free?
[07:45] <@BC_Programming> IM? Instant Messenger?
[07:45] <@BC_Programming> hahahaha
[07:45] <Ashley1> i dont think you get what im saying BC
[07:45] <Ashley1> spark is a IM client and its server is openfire
[07:46] <Ashley1> know i want openfire to run 24/7 on a home server
[07:46] <Ashley1> i just need to find a server
[07:46] <@GlitchPC> Open Fire is a server
[07:46] <Ashley1> but i want advice from you guys
[07:46] <Ashley1> yes but openfire only run when i start up my computer
[07:46] <Ashley1> i want it to run on a server (home/private)
[07:46] <@BC_Programming> get a second PC.
[07:46] <@GlitchPC> Then you'll need a PC to run Openfire on and leave it on
[07:47] <@GlitchPC> bingo!
[07:47] <@BC_Programming> assuming your connection can accept the hit to your bandwidth
[07:47] <@GlitchPC> true dat
[07:47] <Ashley1> well cant i have a server (bought from a shop) and then host it on there and leave the bought server on
[07:47] <@BC_Programming> a server is a PC
[07:48] <@BC_Programming> the whole POINT of a server is to "host it", at least as far as your saying
[07:48] <Ashley1> yes i know but i dont want to leave my computer on because it gets very very hot
[07:48] <Ashley1> wait right
[07:48] <@GlitchPC> Then you'll need a host
[07:48] <@BC_Programming> "get a second PC" was what I said
[07:48] <Ashley1> can i
[07:48] <@BC_Programming> yeah... doubt any free host is going to let you put ANYTHING on their server
[07:48] <@GlitchPC> true dat again
[07:48] <Ashley1> get a server (from shop) and then plug it in set it up
[07:48] <@BC_Programming> get a <PC>
[07:48] <@GlitchPC> there ya go
[07:48] <@BC_Programming> a server IS a pc, same thing
[07:49] <Ashley1> forget it dont worry
[07:49] <Ashley1> i understand what your saying
[07:49] <Ashley1> i might buy one of those little rubbishy ones
[07:49] <Ashley1> mini one with a 10 inch screen or something
[07:49] <@BC_Programming> those are called netbooks
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[07:49] <@BC_Programming> I think
[07:50] <@GlitchPC> a belated Merry Christmas to all!
[07:50] <@BC_Programming> indeed
[07:50] <Ashley1> thats the one a netbook
[07:50] <@GlitchPC> How many people do you expect to be using this "server"
[07:50] <@BC_Programming> you realize... if you want to have an openfire server, you WILL need to leave it on ALL the time...
[07:51] <@BC_Programming> and a netbook, well, it's not exactly designed for performance, either
[07:51] <@GlitchPC> again...true dat
[07:51] <Serpent> hello room
[07:52] <@BC_Programming> I think a good question is why exactly you need an openfire server of your own?
[07:52] <@GlitchPC> Sergei!
[07:52] <@GlitchPC> How ya doin?
[07:52] <Serpent> slowly :)
[07:52] <@GlitchPC> lol
[07:52] <@GlitchPC> !seen Calum
[07:52] <@GlitchPC> Still not fixed, I see...
[07:53] <@BC_Programming> repeating?
[07:53] <@BC_Programming> had no idea
[07:53] <@BC_Programming> heh
[07:53] <@GlitchPC> yep
[07:53] <@GlitchPC> BC...what did ya get for Christmas?
[07:54] <@BC_Programming> nothing useful
[07:54] <@BC_Programming> heh
[07:54] <@GlitchPC> lol
[07:54] <@BC_Programming> clothes, mostly
[07:54] <@GlitchPC> same here
[07:54] <@BC_Programming> but it's ok, I bought myself a 1.5TB HD a few days ago, heh
[07:54] <@GlitchPC> just got a new wireless keyboard and mouse...as far as electronics go
[07:54] <@GlitchPC> sweet
[07:55] <@BC_Programming> yet to actually install it though
[07:55] <@BC_Programming> it's just kind of sitting there
[07:55] <@GlitchPC> that was my next ?
[07:55] <@GlitchPC> heh
[07:55] <@GlitchPC> looking pretty?
[07:55] <@BC_Programming> can't decide wether to just hook it up as a data drive, or use it as a chance to upgrade my desktop to Win7
[07:56] <@GlitchPC> Been using W7 for a while now...I like it
[07:56] <@BC_Programming> yeah I have it on my laptop
[07:56] <@GlitchPC> Dorothy went to Cafe Press
[07:57] <@GlitchPC> She oredered me a cap...and a few shirts
[07:57] <@BC_Programming> heh
[07:57] <@GlitchPC> got those for Xma
[07:57] <@GlitchPC> Xmas
[07:57] <@GlitchPC> I got a shirt from her daughter that reads "NO, I won't fix your computer!"
[07:57] <@BC_Programming> good
[07:57] <@GlitchPC> LOL!
[07:57] <@BC_Programming> now you won't have to say it as much
[07:58] <@BC_Programming> like with me sometimes
[07:58] <@GlitchPC> there ya go
[07:58] <@BC_Programming> "you program computer right? can you fix my printer?"
[07:58] <@GlitchPC> LMAO
[07:58] <@GlitchPC> big difference, huh?
[07:58] <@BC_Programming> just a little
[07:58] <@GlitchPC> Dammit, Jim...I'm a programmer, not a technician!
[07:59] <@BC_Programming> I can be both
[07:59] <@BC_Programming> funny story
[07:59] <@BC_Programming> my Mom's friend just kinda left t wo of her PCs here
[07:59] <@BC_Programming> apparently figured that us geeks see a PC and cannot resist fixing it or something
[07:59] <@BC_Programming> was actually surprosed to learn two weeks later I didn't touch it
[08:00] <@GlitchPC> Heh...was her friend surprised?
[08:00] <@BC_Programming> yeah... that's what I meant to say
[08:00] <@GlitchPC> LOL!
[08:01] <@GlitchPC> Funny
[08:01] <@BC_Programming> suddenly decided NOT to have me fix it when I said she'd have to pay me
[08:01] <@GlitchPC> Got 5 pair of jeans from Dot, too
[08:01] <@GlitchPC> have to return them today
[08:01] <@BC_Programming> let me guess
[08:01] <@GlitchPC> my waist is 34
[08:01] <@GlitchPC> she got 32
[08:01] <@BC_Programming> the crotch is too small. I have that problem all the time
[08:01] <@BC_Programming> heh
[08:02] <@GlitchPC> LMAO
[08:02] <@BC_Programming> couldn't resist, lol
[08:02] <@GlitchPC> Sucks...doesn't it?
[08:02] <@BC_Programming> "dammit woman these pants are too small!"
[08:03] <@BC_Programming> "the legs are almost t ouching the ground..."
[08:03] <@BC_Programming> "no woman, not there, the IMPORTANT part of the pants"
[08:03] <@GlitchPC> LOL!
[08:03] <@BC_Programming> I was going to cut a hole in them
[08:03] <@BC_Programming> but was told I shouldn't scare the children
[08:03] <@GlitchPC> LMAO
[08:04] <@GlitchPC> Uncle Pervy
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[08:04] <@Calum> hey
[08:04] <@GlitchPC> CALUM!
[08:04] <@GlitchPC> Merry Christmas
[08:04] <@Calum> hey bud, long time no talk :)
[08:04] <@Calum> merry christmas to you too
[08:04] <@GlitchPC> yeah...been here for a few
[08:04] <@GlitchPC> thx
[08:04] <@BC_Programming> few minutes or a few beers?
[08:04] <@BC_Programming> heh
[08:04] <@Calum> heh
[08:04] <@GlitchPC> no more beer
[08:04] <@BC_Programming> coffee then
[08:04] <@GlitchPC> No more coffee
[08:05] <@BC_Programming> tea?
[08:05] <@GlitchPC> come 1/1...no more cigs
[08:05] <@BC_Programming> cheese biscuits?
[08:05] <@GlitchPC> LOL!
[08:05] <@Calum> giving all that up?
[08:05] <@GlitchPC> Doctor's orders
[08:05] <@Calum> ah
[08:05] <@BC_Programming> those doctors
[08:05] <@BC_Programming> think they know everything
[08:05] <@GlitchPC> They think they know it all
[08:05] <@BC_Programming> if I want to eat thumbtacks, I will, dammit
[08:05] <@GlitchPC> LOL
[08:05] <@GlitchPC> like minds
[08:06] <@GlitchPC> Calum...let's hear what Santa brung ya
[08:06] <@Calum> new shoes, new sweater, new t shirts, hairdryer (?) and the usual...socks, shower gel and stuff
[08:07] <@GlitchPC> PC equipment?
[08:07] <@BC_Programming> hairdryer, wtf?
[08:07] <@Calum> all I wanted, for the record, was new shoes....
[08:07] <@Calum> no PC equipment no, nobody would know where to shop
[08:07] <@Calum> got some cash too but that's all going on car repairs, and then some hehe
[08:07] <@GlitchPC> I'm bald...and sitll use a hairdryer
[08:07] <@BC_Programming> lol
[08:07] <@BC_Programming> no
[08:07] <@Calum> heh
[08:07] <@BC_Programming> at that point you need a shoeshiner
[08:07] <@GlitchPC> for my crotch
[08:08] <@BC_Programming> LOL
[08:08] <@GlitchPC> Neytral polish
[08:08] <@GlitchPC> Neutral
[08:09] <@GlitchPC> I feel better today...than I have for months...Christmas must be over
[08:09] <@GlitchPC> LOL!
[08:09] <@Calum> heh...good to hear you're feeling better now I guess
[08:09] <@BC_Programming> I got my brother a 9800GTX+
[08:09] <@BC_Programming> I'm not sure the diff between it and mine
[08:09] <@BC_Programming> but I am sure teh X and the + mean it's better
[08:10] <@GlitchPC> Was he happy?
[08:10] <@BC_Programming> I don't know
[08:10] <@BC_Programming> didn't seem to care
[08:10] <@BC_Programming> then I ended up clean installing windows 7
[08:10] <@Calum> BC, you have a 9800GT right?
[08:10] <@BC_Programming> yeah
[08:10] <@BC_Programming> just a ol' 9800GT
[08:10] <@Calum> GTX+ has 12 extra processing cores, higher clocks, and is usually a 55nm process (some 9800GT's are 55nm too)
[08:10] <@BC_Programming> cool
[08:11] <@GlitchPC> Our video card professional
[08:11] <@BC_Programming> it takes up two rear slots
[08:11] <@Calum> basically a renamed 8800GTS 512
[08:11] <@GlitchPC> That's why I hired him
[08:11] <@BC_Programming> one for the exhaust
[08:11] <@Calum> dual slot coolers are nice if you have the slot to spare
[08:11] <@BC_Programming> yeah, not sure how hot it runs
[08:12] <@GlitchPC> Gave my PC a break last night
[08:12] <@BC_Programming> GASP!
[08:12] <@Calum> heh
[08:12] <@GlitchPC> been running 24/7 for a month or so now
[08:12] <@GlitchPC> have the case open
[08:12] <@GlitchPC> it's been a little warm in this room
[08:12] <@BC_Programming> my uptime: 143:37:57
[08:12] <@BC_Programming> heh
[08:12] <@Calum> nice to have the extra heat though?
[08:13] <@Calum> my PC just takes the edge off the freezing cold in my room
[08:13] <@GlitchPC> LOL!
[08:13] <@BC_Programming> PCs can double as space heaters
[08:13] <@Calum> the exhaust for my GPU is nice and warm, just right for a hand heh
[08:14] <@GlitchPC> or a foot...depending on where the PC's located
[08:14] <@Calum> you want a space heater? Fire up a P4 system, that'll do it
[08:14] <@GlitchPC> Oh...almost forgot
[08:14] <@BC_Programming> my P4 never really ran all that hot
[08:14] <@BC_Programming> but it was a slower model
[08:14] <@Calum> the ones at my college, their exhuasted air was too hot to hold a hand by, it was ridiculous
[08:14] <@GlitchPC> Got a HD camcorder 8.1 megapixels
[08:14] <@BC_Programming> my 286 could have passed for an Air conditioner
[08:15] <@Calum> GlitchPC: nice
[08:15] <@Calum> very nice
[08:15] <@GlitchPC> compact...it's for both me and Dot
[08:15] <@GlitchPC> now I can make some Glitch videos...maybe
[08:15] <@BC_Programming> and you can make amateur pornography
[08:15] <@BC_Programming> oops
[08:16] <@BC_Programming> did I say that out loud
[08:16] <@GlitchPC> did that with our new grandson, Aiden
[08:16] <@GlitchPC> He was in the tub
[08:16] <Ashley1> you know macmini's
[08:16] <@BC_Programming> ok you just scared the crap out of me
[08:16] <@GlitchPC> sorry, nope
[08:16] <Ashley1> macmini
[08:16] <Ashley1> you dont know them
[08:16] <@GlitchPC> I/m a PC
[08:16] <Ashley1> ok
[08:16] <@BC_Programming> why
[08:17] <@Calum> Ashley1: what about them? I've never used one but I've seen them
[08:17] <@BC_Programming> I hear they make great firestarters
[08:17] <@Calum> if that helps haha
[08:17] <Ashley1> when you buy one do they come with a keyboard and mouse
[08:17] <@BC_Programming> umm
[08:17] <@BC_Programming> yeah
[08:17] <@BC_Programming> be kind of dumb if it didn't
[08:17] <Ashley1> so this one 1 sec
[08:17] <@Calum> BC_Programming: remember...it's Apple
[08:17] <@BC_Programming> "oh, we charge you twice as much, but no keyboard or mouse"
[08:18] <@BC_Programming> actually that sounds like them
[08:18] <@Calum> my point exactly
[08:18] <@BC_Programming> "key.... board? oh that's optional, you only NEED a mouse"
[08:18] <@BC_Programming> "I didn't get a mouse either!"
[08:18] <@Calum> with one button
[08:18] <@BC_Programming> "it's also optional"
[08:18] <@BC_Programming> heh
[08:18] <Ashley1> so this would come with a keyboard and mouse
[08:18] <Ashley1> http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0574668892.1261840688@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccgcadejehimmlgcflgceggdhhmdgmi.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=889412&category_oid=
[08:19] <Ashley1> ?
[08:19] <@Calum> it's being sold by PC World, so I doubt it comes with anything...they wouldn't know the difference if the box was empty
[08:19] <Ashley1> ok
[08:19] <@BC_Programming> hell, there's a 25% chance you'll leave with a new pair of shoes
[08:19] <@BC_Programming> "here's your mac mini"
[08:19] <@Calum> no, seriously....go down to the store and check
[08:20] <@Calum> it doesn't mention any acessories so I would be careful
[08:20] <@BC_Programming> yeah looks like it doesn't come with anything
[08:21] <@BC_Programming> I'm sure if it did the page would say something about it including "Apple MegaErgonomic ExtraBoard Plus" and other ridiculous things
[08:21] <@BC_Programming> they can't just say "keyboard and mouse"
[08:22] <@BC_Programming> I love how on the older macs, the reset button was literally an option
[08:23] <@BC_Programming> you had to buy a little accessory, the "programmers switch" or something like that, to use it
[08:23] <@BC_Programming> for the record that mac is more expensive then my laptop
[08:23] <@Calum> does anyone else find Apple products the most counterintuitive thing in the world to use?
[08:23] <@BC_Programming> which of course includes the screen, keyboard, and pointer built in
[08:23] <@GlitchPC> I do...that's why I'm a PC
[08:24] <@Calum> leaving aside issues of price and quality, just usability
[08:24] <@BC_Programming> when your used to other systems I can see how Apple stuff might be hard to use
[08:24] <@BC_Programming> but if y ou are only used to a mac windows probably feels strange too, to be fair
[08:24] <@GlitchPC> Hard to teach old dogs new tricks
[08:24] <@Calum> well, fair point
[08:24] <@Calum> but what about iPods?
[08:24] <@GlitchPC> I have a Zen
[08:25] <@Calum> I'd never used a media player before, mate let me try his iPod, couldn;t do anything
[08:25] <@Calum> I picked up my own MP3 player a year or so later, dead easy
[08:25] <@BC_Programming> hmm, don't have one, my brother got an Ipod touch, didn't really have to much difficulty looking at the settings
[08:25] <@BC_Programming> it was a pain in the but
[08:25] <@BC_Programming> "I mean, OHH! I can use the touchscreen"
[08:25] <@BC_Programming> what, is there something wrong with basic cursor keys or something?
[08:26] <@BC_Programming> Creative Zen players are supposedly really good
[08:26] <@Calum> touchscreens...hate 'em
[08:26] <@GlitchPC> My cousin, the accountant wanted me to recommend a new PC for her
[08:26] <@GlitchPC> got her a Dell all-in-one
[08:26] <@BC_Programming> you know what I would have said
[08:26] <@GlitchPC> touch screen
[08:26] <@BC_Programming> I would have said "get a black one"
[08:26] <@BC_Programming> hahaha
[08:26] <@GlitchPC> LOL!
[08:26] <@GlitchPC> Let's see if I can find the link again
[08:26] <@BC_Programming> that's why people eventually stop asking me those questions, heh
[08:27] <@GlitchPC> Here ya go: http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/desktops/desktop-studio-one-19/pd.aspx?refid=desktop-studio-one-19&s=bsd&cs=04
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[08:28] <@Calum> quite nice, if you like that kind of thing
[08:28] <@Calum> for a normal user, very nice
[08:28] <@GlitchPC> Well...she needed the space
[08:29] <@Calum> my friend's dad has an older Sony all in one, they're pretty slick I must admit
[08:29] <@GlitchPC> She fell in love with it
[08:29] <@BC_Programming> did she give it a name?
[08:29] <@GlitchPC> Steve
[08:30] <@GlitchPC> LOL!
[08:30] <@BC_Programming> heh
[08:30] <@Calum> hah
[08:30] <@GlitchPC> brb...dog
[08:31] <@Calum> ok
[08:40] <@GlitchPC> back
[08:40] <@Calum> wb
[08:41] <@GlitchPC> ty
[08:43] <@Calum> oh, by the way, I have a job interview on Wednesday
[08:43] <@GlitchPC> sweet
[08:43] <@GlitchPC> with?
[08:43] <@BC_Programming> good luck :)
[08:43] <@Calum> for a technician at Overclockers
[08:43] <@Calum> thanks
[08:43] <@GlitchPC> Nice!
[08:43] <@GlitchPC> Good luck!
[08:43] <@Calum> thanks :)
[08:43] <@BC_Programming> dammit, I need to find something like that
[08:44] <@BC_Programming> oh hey, did either of you see my attempt at a redesign of my home page?
[08:44] <@GlitchPC> I'm retiring...
[08:44] <@BC_Programming> it looks a little better now anyway
[08:44] <@Calum> BC_Programming: not yet
[08:44] <@GlitchPC> nope...going there now
[08:44] <@Calum> oh brb a few mins
[08:45] <@GlitchPC> much better than what ya had
[08:45] <@GlitchPC> The other was hard to read
[08:45] <@BC_Programming> yeah, the previous one I just kind of threw together
[08:46] <@BC_Programming> just so there was... something there
[08:47] <@GlitchPC> Are you scripting it yourself?
[08:47] <@BC_Programming> yeah, everythere there I wrote
[08:47] <@BC_Programming> the css, the html, the php, all of it
[08:47] <@GlitchPC> kewl
[08:47] <@BC_Programming> well, except for hte blog, of course, that's wordpress
[08:49] <@GlitchPC> OF course...
[08:50] <@BC_Programming> I made the images myself too
[08:50] <@GlitchPC> I like those
[08:50] <@BC_Programming> yeah I think they turned out well
[08:51] <@BC_Programming> the one I had just didn't blend in like this one does
[08:52] <@GlitchPC> Just an idea...but you may want your downloads page to follow the same look and feel as your News page
[08:52] <@BC_Programming> Yeah, I was thinking along those lines
[08:52] <@BC_Programming> right now just pleased it still works, heh
[08:53] <@BC_Programming> I'm trying to not use any tables anywhere
[08:53] <@GlitchPC> frames?
[08:54] <@BC_Programming> no, no tables. everything on the main page, except for the content area is made from divs, spans, and CSS style positioning
[08:54] <@GlitchPC> ahh...ok
[08:55] <@GlitchPC> I like the blog...it has a cool design and UI
[08:55] <@BC_Programming> yeah, it kicks ass. I didn't even really need to do anything
[08:55] <@BC_Programming> except change some CSS to make the "windows" a little wider
[09:00] <@GlitchPC> Well...have to go...may be back later
[09:00] <@GlitchPC> TTYT
[09:00] <@BC_Programming> k
[09:00] <@GlitchPC> Have a good one
[09:00] <@BC_Programming> you too
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[09:06] <@Calum> back
[09:11] <Ashley1> ive sent an email asking weather they do or dont include a keyboard and mouse
[09:12] <@Calum> isn't there a PC World nearby or anything?
[09:13] <Ashley1> yes
[09:13] <Ashley1> but im not shore itf its open
[09:13] <@Calum> I'm sure it will be, on boxing day...sales
[09:13] <Ashley1> ye true
[09:13] <Ashley1> but im not going to buy it at the moment
[09:13] <@Calum> I'd be inclined to go and see it in person, then you know there and then
[09:13] <@Calum> also
[09:13] <Ashley1> so ive just sent an email at the moment
[09:14] <@Calum> you could check out the keyboard and mouse, see if they're actually any good
[09:14] <Ashley1> ye ill go down and ask nearer the time when i buy it
[09:14] <@Calum> I'd really advise against buying from PC Worlds though to be honest
[09:14] <Ashley1> why?
[09:14] <@Calum> inflated prices, and awful customer service
[09:14] <Ashley1> well ive actually moved over to currys and checked there
[09:15] <@Calum> currys is the same, owned by the same organisation
[09:15] <Ashley1> hmm
[09:15] <Ashley1> where could i try ?
[09:15] <@Calum> I dunno, I have no idea where else carries Macs. But I would buy online somewhere, or from an independent store if you have one somewhere nearby
[09:16] <Ashley1> ye
[09:16] <Ashley1> erm not argos
[09:16] <Ashley1> not toysrus
[09:16] <Ashley1> not currys or pcworld
[09:16] <Ashley1> not tesco
[09:16] <Ashley1> or asda
[09:17] <@Calum> I mean if there's not an easy alternative and you're set on buying a Mac then maybe PC World or Currys is best
[09:17] <@Calum> I'm not a Mac guy
[09:17] <Ashley1> ok
[09:17] <Ashley1> well i waiting for an email back from currys
[09:17] <Ashley1> so
[09:17] <@BC_Programming> wait: what do you plan on doing with it?
[09:17] <Ashley1> going on it lol
[09:17] <Ashley1> leaving it on
[09:17] <Ashley1> thought out the week
[09:18] <@BC_Programming> why? what will you do WITH it, what will it be doing, etc...
[09:18] <Ashley1> why does it matter if i want it then i want it
[09:18] <Ashley1> im just wondering weather it comes with a keyboard and mouse
[09:18] <@BC_Programming> wether*
[09:19] <@Calum> Ashley1: BC is only asking because it might not be the best idea to get a Mac
[09:19] <Ashley1> weather wether, sounds the same
[09:19] <@Calum> but if you want it then you want it, there are better options out there in my opinion but....your decision
[09:19] <Ashley1> but a macmini doesnt use as much energy as a desktop computer does
[09:20] <Ashley1> thats why i want it because macs also are harder to get virus's on
[09:20] <Ashley1> as well as there efficient
[09:20] <@Calum> less viruses for macs, true
[09:20] <@Calum> but as for energy efficiency, I'd have to argue there
[09:20] <Ashley1> unless you can suggest a better computer ?
[09:21] <@Calum> what are you planning to use it for? Just general web browsing, chat etc?
[09:21] <@BC_Programming> well, if it doesn't come with a screen, keyboard ,etc
[09:21] <Ashley1> i want a computer that doesnt use a huge amount of energy, good (nice amount of ram and hard drive as well as processor)
[09:21] <@BC_Programming> computers in general use less power then a light bulb
[09:22] <Ashley1> coolo
[09:22] <Ashley1> is there any computers that you could suggest are good
[09:22] <Ashley1> desktop though not laptop
[09:22] <@BC_Programming> except for the old ones with Linear transformer Power supplies, but that's back to XP
[09:22] <@BC_Programming> yes
[09:22] <@BC_Programming> desktop
[09:22] <Ashley1> ?
[09:22] <@BC_Programming> XT*
[09:22] <@BC_Programming> not XP
[09:23] <Ashley1> vista or windows 7
[09:23] <@Calum> Ashley1: what sort of budget are you looking to spend?
[09:23] <@Calum> I don't think that sentence is quite correct but ah well
[09:24] <Ashley1> im not shore, i would say nothing over ?500
[09:24] <Ashley1> or nothin over ?400 or ?500
[09:24] <@BC_Programming> the max mini was like... 700 though :P
[09:25] <@Calum> For ?4-500 you can get a pretty decent desktop system, with monitor/keyboard/mouse...that's with building it though, I don't know much about prebuilt systems so I can't comment
[09:25] <Ashley1> ok
[09:25] <@BC_Programming> yeah you can get that with a prebuilt too
[09:25] <@BC_Programming> but those are usually a crappy brand, though, like eMachines
[09:26] <@BC_Programming> there are a few ok ones in that range though
[09:26] <Ashley1> im going to look around
[09:26] <@Calum> I haven't looked at prebuilt systems in years, I'm way out of touch
[09:26] <Ashley1> hmm what shops should i look at ?
[09:26] <@Calum> for prebuilt, or building yourself?
[09:26] <@BC_Programming> heh, I have no clue, don't even know what you have over there, heh
[09:26] <Ashley1> prebuilt
[09:26] <@Calum> I have no idea then, sorry
[09:27] <Ashley1> pcworld ?
[09:27] <@BC_Programming> have to start somewhere
[09:27] <@BC_Programming> then yo ucan fan out
[09:27] <@BC_Programming> too
[09:27] <@BC_Programming> other places, I guess. have no idea whats over there, lol
[09:27] <@Calum> the only thing I can say is that I only ever buy components from Overclockers, or Ebay....prebuilt I have no clue about though
[09:29] <Ashley1> that looks good
[09:29] <Ashley1> http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0783823447.1261844860@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccgcadejehimmlgcflgceggdhhmdgmi.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=037594&category_oid=#productInformationSection
[09:29] <@Calum> brb
[09:29] <Ashley1> ok
[09:29] <Ashley1> !forecast stevenage uk
[09:30] <@BC_Programming> hmm, dunno, Celeron... haven't heard a lot of good about celeron processors
[09:30] <Ashley1> oh ok
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[09:36] <@Calum> back...Ashley, that's an all in one machine, so it's lower spec for a higher price than a "normal" desktop
[09:36] <@Calum> the Celeron 450 isn't a bad CPU, but there are much better ones out there
[09:36] <@Calum> and, hello jacky
[09:36] <@jacky> Calum: Hello
[09:37] <@Calum> you have a good Christmas?
[09:38] <@jacky> not really
[09:38] <@Calum> oh, sorry to hear it
[09:38] <@jacky> np
[09:38] <@jacky> I hope yours was nice
[09:39] <@Calum> same old, not particularly a fan of this time of year but it could have been worse
[09:39] <@jacky> but you are young... that's a shame, that you don't have fun with holidays
[09:39] <@jacky> sorry to hear it
[09:39] <@Calum> don't worry about it :)
[09:40] <@jacky> :)
[09:44] <Ashley1> i think ive found one i like
[09:44] <Ashley1> oh and hi jacky its Ashley
[09:44] <Ashley1> just cant change my nick to it for some reason
[09:44] * Ashley1 is now known as Ashley
[09:44] <Ashley> know i can dw
[09:44] <Ashley> here is the computer calum
[09:44] <@jacky> Ashley: Hello
[09:44] <Ashley> http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.206-5251.aspx
[09:45] <Ashley> Calum : good or not ?
[09:45] <@Calum> not a bad price, that's some weird processor in there and useless integrated graphics
[09:45] <@jacky> Ashley: your nick is not registered, and someone else was online, as Ashley
[09:45] <@jacky> that's why you could not
[09:46] <Ashley> ye i know, im going to register it in a minute
[09:46] <@Calum> you could do worse I guess, it's not bad for a prebuilt machine
[09:46] <Ashley> ok so would you recommned i buy it ?
[09:46] <@Calum> if it's what you're looking for then yeah, like I said you could do worse
[09:47] <Ashley> ok
[09:47] <Ashley> well to me its looks good
[09:47] <@Calum> I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole unless I was fixing it for someone, but that's me
[09:48] <@jacky> Calum: tell us how your really feel... c'mon...
[09:48] <@jacky> hehehe
[09:48] <@Calum> hehe I was restraining myself
[09:49] <@Calum> nah, like I said it's not bad
[09:49] <@Calum> just not what I would be looking for, even for normal use
[09:49] <@BC_Programming> if it's not a quad core
[09:49] <@BC_Programming> and it's not a k6-2
[09:49] <@BC_Programming> then it sux
[09:49] <@Calum> if I was given it, I'd have to change the PSU and motherboard at the very least
[09:49] <@jacky> and nobody here (except BC) does abnormal use.
[09:49] <@Calum> keyboard and mouse too
[09:49] <@BC_Programming> heh
[09:50] <@BC_Programming> what constitutes "abnormal use"
[09:50] <@jacky> use by BC
[09:50] <@Calum> hehe
[09:50] <@BC_Programming> ahhh
[09:50] <@BC_Programming> ok
[09:50] <@jacky> that was tooooo easy.
[09:50] <@BC_Programming> that makes sense
[09:50] <@Calum> by "normal use" I just meant web browsing, word documents, etc
[09:50] <@BC_Programming> hold on, I have to open my disk drive... the pancakes are done
[09:50] <@Calum> nothing heavy like gaming, video editing
[09:51] <Ashley> jacky can i pm you
[09:51] <@jacky> certainly
[09:51] <@jacky> you don't even need to ask
[09:52] <@jacky> :)
[09:52] <Ashley> ok thanks
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> Self, how are things
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> Oh, just capital
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> don't talk to me in that tone, self
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> well, no need to be rude about it
[09:52] <@BC_Programming> heh
[09:53] <@Calum> "don't look at me in that tone of voice" - quality
[09:53] <@BC_Programming> yeah,that would be what's called a "personality conflict" if I ever saw one, lol
[09:54] <@Calum> heh
[09:54] <@jacky> he doesn't even log in twice anymore, to talk to himself.
[09:54] <@jacky> must be the meds....
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> oh, you mean BC
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> damn that guys annoying
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> hello, I'm right here
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> Oh sorry
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> didn't see you there
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> well pay more attention you insensitive douche
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> hey, no need to get hostile
[09:55] <@BC_Programming> lol
[10:00] <@Calum> green cars are unlucky - yes/no?
[10:00] <Ashley> Calum
[10:00] <Ashley> im going to quickly need your knowledge
[10:00] <@Calum> ok
[10:01] <Ashley> well would it be cheaper to build a computer myslef or to buy one prebuilt
[10:01] <@Calum> depends...at the low end, cheaper to buy prebuilt, otherwise usually a little cheaper to build
[10:01] <@Calum> the main advantage of building your own isn't price though
[10:02] <@jacky> But! you know what is in it, if you build it, and that has value!
[10:02] <@Calum> it's quality, warranty, and customizability/upgradability
[10:02] <@BC_Programming> I can attest to that
[10:02] <@jacky> ... great minds...
[10:02] <@Calum> heh
[10:02] <Ashley> well i want to make one with
[10:02] <Ashley> 4GB ram
[10:02] <Ashley> about hmmm 250GB or higher of hdd
[10:03] <Ashley> processor higher then 2.3ghz
[10:03] <Ashley> a good graphics card
[10:03] <@jacky> Calum: here, on our side of the pond, often www.newegg.com is used as "the standard" when shopping. Do you have something, over there, that is often recommended? or is it all done by local, small shops?
[10:03] <@Calum> jacky: there are several, which are recommended. I only buy from overclockers, sometimes Ebay
[10:03] <@jacky> Ashley: don't forget to tell him what the main purpose of this new computer will be.
[10:04] <@jacky> "overclockers" is an online store?
[10:04] <@Calum> Ashley: trouble is, you won't get a good graphics card in a prebuilt machine without spending way over the top. Also, the quality of the components is generally bad
[10:04] <Ashley> well with this new computer i just really want to run it 24/7
[10:04] <@Calum> jacky: yep, and you can buy in person. www.overclockers.co.uk
[10:04] <@jacky> Ashley: don't forget to tell him what the main purpose of this new computer will be.
[10:04] <Ashley> and to run openfire
[10:04] <@jacky> Calum: so Ashley can 'window shop' there, online, and get a feel for costs, etc. ... right?
[10:04] <Ashley> which wiill be ok if i run the computer 24/7
[10:05] <@Calum> jacky: sure
[10:05] <@jacky> Calum: know what openfire is?
[10:05] <@Calum> Ashley: so you're basically going for good all round performance, without sacrificing energy efficiency?
[10:05] <@Calum> jacky: just googled itl, I'd heard of it before
[10:05] <@BC_Programming> from what Ashley has said... it's a Instant Messenger Server or something, not clear on teh details
[10:05] <Ashley> yes
[10:05] <@BC_Programming> seems an awful lot like IRC in many respects
[10:06] <@jacky> Calum: for openfire.. he can just leave the monitor turned off, can't he? and used a plain jane vid card?
[10:06] <@jacky> BC_Programming: quick glance, and yes... it does
[10:06] <@Calum> yeah, you don't actually need a graphics card if it's just for a server....
[10:06] <@Calum> is it just to run openfire, or for more?
[10:06] <@jacky> UNLESS Ashley wants to ...
[10:06] <@jacky> ... great minds...
[10:06] <Ashley> well i want to do more then run openfire
[10:06] <Ashley> search the web
[10:07] <@Calum> yeah, figured as much, otherwise you wouldn't want as high specs
[10:07] <Ashley> run other programs
[10:07] <Ashley> play games :)
[10:07] <Ashley> maybe
[10:07] <@Calum> what kind of games? Intensive ones?
[10:07] <@Calum> or older?
[10:07] <Ashley> intensive
[10:07] <@jacky> that "play games" is a broad topic.
[10:07] <@jacky> aha
[10:07] <@jacky> there we go
[10:07] <@jacky> that word "intensive" is gonna cost you, I bet
[10:07] <@jacky> heheheeh
[10:07] <@jacky> ... Calum?
[10:08] <@Calum> can you give some examples, of games?
[10:08] <Ashley> well i think i know what im going to do
[10:08] <@Calum> Are we talking like Crysis, far Cry 2 etc?
[10:08] <Ashley> yes
[10:08] <@Calum> for a ?500 budget, you'll have to compromise
[10:08] <Ashley> actually dont worry
[10:08] <Ashley> what im going to do is
[10:08] <@jacky> the vid card(s) alone could cost that much, mighten they?
[10:09] <Ashley> get tv with pc input
[10:09] <@Calum> jacky: the very top end, that crazy people buy....yes
[10:09] <Ashley> then get a computer without monitor
[10:09] <Ashley> and set them 2 up together
[10:09] <@BC_Programming> not just crazy
[10:09] <@BC_Programming> but MEGA crazy
[10:09] <@jacky> Ashley: ahh... where'd you get the idea to use a TV?
[10:09] <@Calum> Ashley: not a bad idea, but TV resolutions tend to suck
[10:09] <@BC_Programming> yeah....
[10:09] <@jacky> Calum: are not monitor specs usually better than TV specs?
[10:09] <@jacky> 1,2, 3
[10:09] <Ashley> ok so what would you recommend ?
[10:09] <@jacky> hehehe
[10:10] <Ashley> cause i want a big monitor
[10:10] <@jacky> roll out the $$$
[10:10] <@Calum> heh
[10:10] <Ashley> lol
[10:10] <@BC_Programming> well, for your budget... your going to have to compromise, you can't have it all :P
[10:10] <@Calum> I tell you what I'd do, in your position
[10:10] <Ashley> actually i have thought of an amazing plan
[10:10] <@BC_Programming> does it involve possums?
[10:10] <Ashley> so good that you wont be able to ignore it :D
[10:10] <@jacky> decide if you can do with less now, or if you have to wait until you have more money to spend.
[10:10] <@BC_Programming> so it does involve possums!
[10:10] <Ashley> and no BC
[10:11] <@BC_Programming> awww
[10:11] <@Calum> actually, what jacky said...go with less and upgrade, or wait till you can get what you need
[10:11] <Ashley> ready to hear it
[10:11] <@BC_Programming> yes!
[10:11] <@BC_Programming> d tell
[10:11] <@BC_Programming> do*
[10:11] <Ashley> right here we go
[10:11] <Ashley> i get JUST the unit
[10:11] <@BC_Programming> I like it already
[10:11] <@jacky> har
[10:11] <Ashley> get a wireless keyboard and mouse
[10:11] <Ashley> and then get a tv
[10:11] <Ashley> and wala
[10:11] <@jacky> define "the unit"
[10:12] <Ashley> well you know the system
[10:12] <@jacky> TV specs are not as good as monitor specs
[10:12] <Ashley> :(
[10:12] <@jacky> I suspect you will notice this with intensive games
[10:12] <@jacky> ask these guys
[10:12] <Ashley> i just want to get a big monitor
[10:12] <Ashley> ok ok
[10:12] <Ashley> right
[10:12] <@BC_Programming> and if your buying a TV, in order to get one good enough for everyday work on a PC it needs to be a really expensive one, too
[10:12] <@jacky> you want a big monitor with crappy video??
[10:12] <Ashley> ok wait
[10:13] <Ashley> i shall resay my plan
[10:13] <Ashley> ok here we go
[10:13] <Ashley> right
[10:13] <Ashley> get the system
[10:13] <Ashley> get a wireless keyboard and mouse
[10:13] <Ashley> and then get a big monitor and WALA :D
[10:14] <@BC_Programming> I See you have it all planned out
[10:14] <@jacky> Ashley: let me venture a guess... you got some money, for Christmas?
[10:14] <@BC_Programming> except for the financial portion, heh
[10:14] <@Calum> and before you get the monitor....what do you intend to use as a display?
[10:14] <@Calum> I mean you could wire up the DVI port to your eyes but it sacrifices some quality
[10:14] <Ashley> well i already have a monitor (spare)
[10:14] <@Calum> ah
[10:14] <@Calum> there ya go then
[10:14] <@BC_Programming> my spare monitor failed for no reason
[10:15] <Ashley> so all planned and ready but
[10:15] <@BC_Programming> it didn't even explode
[10:15] <@jacky> Ashley: let me venture a guess... you got some money, for Christmas?
[10:15] <Ashley> i shall know look around so i wont talk for a bit
[10:15] <Ashley> yes :D
[10:15] <Ashley> but im not buying anything yet
[10:15] <@BC_Programming> I prefer when monitors fail catastrophically in a giant fireball. adds a nice twist to the everyday.
[10:15] <@jacky> thought so... and it is burning a hole in your pocket. heheeheh
[10:15] <Ashley> in my tottenham hotspur wallet :D
[10:15] <@Calum> *obligatory shameless plug, I can build your system cheaper than X company* hehe
[10:16] <Ashley> who comes from UK here ?
[10:16] <Ashley> Calum you do dont you
[10:16] <@BC_Programming> *includes complimentary Plush Possum*
[10:16] <@Calum> I do indeed
[10:16] <Ashley> do you support a football (soccer) team ?
[10:16] <@jacky> Ashley: get Calum to build it for you! there you go
[10:16] <@Calum> nope, I don't follow sport
[10:16] <@jacky> he even gives a lifetime warranty
[10:16] <Ashley> ooooo
[10:16] <@jacky> it is warranted for the life of the computer
[10:17] <Ashley> Calum how much ?
[10:17] <@jacky> (heheheeh)
[10:17] <@BC_Programming> the he supports the Rutland Possums
[10:17] <@jacky> are they athletic?
[10:17] <@Calum> Ashley: actually cheaper than anyone I know. I would do ?30-40 over the cost of the parts, plus transport costs
[10:17] <@jacky> how far apart are you two?
[10:18] <@BC_Programming> and remember: that includes the price of the plush possum, whch he has yet to state as actually not being something that is given out
[10:18] <Ashley> so ok
[10:18] <Ashley> how much do you think all the parts would cost ?
[10:18] <@Calum> 100 miles or so, but Stevenage (ashley) is on the way to my gf's heh
[10:18] <Ashley> lol
[10:18] <@Calum> Ashley: however much you intend to spend, I could fit it in somehow
[10:18] <@jacky> Calum: your girlfriend is a hundred miles away??!!??
[10:18] <@jacky> wow
[10:19] <@Calum> jacky: yeah, it's not ideal....
[10:19] <@jacky> how'd THAT happen?
[10:19] <@BC_Programming> oh, girlfriend... I thought it stood for his German Finnegan
[10:19] <@Calum> long story heh
[10:19] <@jacky> heh
[10:19] <@Calum> but you know...100 miles isn;t that far, with a car that drives
[10:19] <@Calum> take out the car and it's a little further than I care to imagine
[10:20] <@jacky> 100 miles is "not that far" to somebody that is emotional! heheeheh
[10:20] <@jacky> to the rest of us, it is a 100 miles
[10:20] <@Calum> haha it's a very easy drive, 2 hours
[10:20] <@Calum> I do more than that when I go out with my friends
[10:20] <@BC_Programming> goes by quickly when you have
[10:20] <@BC_Programming> MOAR POSSUM
[10:20] <@Calum> sic 'em boy!
[10:20] <Ashley> BC naughty
[10:20] <@BC_Programming> moar possum
[10:20] <@Calum> goes by quickly with some music on
[10:21] <@jacky> Calum: don't fret... a buddy of mine.. his "gf" was 6 hours away... in the middle of nowhere, in a Texas desert.
[10:21] <@Calum> hehe
[10:21] <@jacky> I was his best man, in '93
[10:21] <@jacky> :)
[10:21] <@jacky> it worked out
[10:21] <Ashley> anyone here got ps3 ?
[10:21] <@BC_Programming> except for that incident with the cactus
[10:21] <@jacky> BC_Programming: I've been there. and yes, the cactus are killer
[10:21] <@Calum> jacky: that's cool
[10:22] <@BC_Programming> her excuse: "I forgot there were spines... I thought it would be just like a cucumber..."
[10:22] <@Calum> Ashley: nope, no new consoles here, I don't do console games
[10:22] <@jacky> Calum: he's got it made! his mother-in-law doesn't speak English!
[10:22] <Ashley> ok
[10:22] <@jacky> heheeheh
[10:22] <@Calum> jacky: hahaha
[10:23] <@jacky> Ashley: you need to slow down, do some looking online, and keep asking Calum questions about components, until you boil it down to what you can get, vs. what you can spend
[10:23] <@jacky> that's just my opinion.....
[10:23] <Ashley> ok
[10:23] <@Calum> you don't want to rush a computer buying decision, it's never a good idea
[10:24] <Ashley> ok
[10:24] <@jacky> yep.... wait at least until 5 o'clock
[10:24] <@jacky> (heheeheh)
[10:24] <@Calum> hehe
[10:25] <@jacky> Ashley: watch this
[10:25] <Ashley> it is 5o'clock
[10:25] <Ashley> and ok
[10:25] <@jacky> Calum: if YOU were going to buy the stuff to do what Ashley needs/wants
[10:25] <@jacky> what components come right to mind?
[10:25] <@jacky> list....
[10:25] <@Calum> I got the feeling "watch this" would involve me hehe
[10:25] <@Calum> hmm
[10:26] <@jacky> or, you can revise the list tomorrow, after you've thought about, and not on the spot.
[10:26] <@jacky> but list something, now, just for fun
[10:26] <Ashley> lol#
[10:26] <@BC_Programming> if you have a few spare sheep
[10:26] <@BC_Programming> you could try trading them in wales
[10:26] <@Calum> off the top of my head....Athlon II 550, unsure of motherboard, Radeon 5750, 4GB RAM of course, Antec 300 case (maybe?), 7200.12 500Gb HDD
[10:26] <@Calum> oh, Windows 7 Home Premium X64
[10:27] <Ashley> sound good
[10:27] <@BC_Programming> and a plush possum
[10:27] <@Calum> just a guess anyway, I'll go price check now
[10:27] <Ashley> ok
[10:27] <@BC_Programming> http://www.tapirback.com/tapirgal/gifts/friends/marsupials/opossum-stuffed-animal-f788.htm
[10:27] <@BC_Programming> heh
[10:28] <@BC_Programming> OMG
[10:28] <@jacky> Calum: re: 64 bit OS: much problems anymore with ... what WAS the problem with 64 bit?... hardware drivers?
[10:29] <@Calum> yeah, older hardware and drivers was the issue
[10:29] <@BC_Programming> srsly
[10:29] <@BC_Programming> dudes
[10:29] <@Calum> I've had no problems with anything semi modern
[10:29] <@BC_Programming> Possum in a can
[10:29] <@BC_Programming> http://www.plushcuddles.com/plush-toys/plush-toys-animals/plush-possum/toy-possum.htm
[10:29] <@jacky> "pressed possum" ?
[10:29] <@BC_Programming> hahaha
[10:29] <@jacky> de-hydrated possum?
[10:29] <@jacky> powdered possum?
[10:30] <@BC_Programming> no, you know those joke gags, where teh snake comes out of a can of nuts
[10:30] <@jacky> Calum: ok. and pardon me if I keep asking that question. It'll take a few years for it to get through my head. :)
[10:30] <@Calum> heh, no worries
[10:30] <@jacky> Ashley: are you making like a sponge?
[10:30] <@BC_Programming> except it should be a possum
[10:30] <@jacky> nutty possum?
[10:30] <Ashley> jacky: ?
[10:30] <@BC_Programming> no, a springy possum
[10:30] <@jacky> absorbing it all
[10:31] <Ashley> yes
[10:31] <@jacky> Ashley: the computer parts, not the possum stuff
[10:31] <@jacky> hehehee
[10:31] <Ashley> yes
[10:31] <@BC_Programming> ideally when you open the lid, Andy Dicks voice yells "POSSUM" and the possum toy flies out
[10:31] <@BC_Programming> if the toy flying at you doesn't scare you
[10:31] <@jacky> Ashley: go back to the short list that CAlum gave. note the stuff. go look it up online... for something fun to do
[10:31] <@BC_Programming> Andy Dick's voice will
[10:31] <Ashley> ok 1 sec
[10:31] <@Calum> hm, picking up the first parts that came to mind, I got ?563. Not bad for a first attempt, easy to knock that down
[10:32] <Ashley> eating cake :D
[10:32] <@jacky> Ashley: no rush... just that it should be interesting to you
[10:32] <@BC_Programming> but not having it too I hope
[10:32] <@jacky> BC_Programming: is the possum named Andy?
[10:32] <@BC_Programming> naw
[10:32] <@BC_Programming> probably pete or something else alliterative
[10:33] <@BC_Programming> Possum Pete, Possum Paul, Possum Patrick, etc
[10:33] <@BC_Programming> hmm, I wonder what will come up if I search for "possum" on ebay
[10:34] <@BC_Programming> tree seeds
[10:34] <@BC_Programming> yeah that's relevant
[10:35] <@BC_Programming> hmm, a book, "carve that possum"
[10:35] <@BC_Programming> I want toe guess it's about christmas in the deep south
[10:35] <@Calum> back in the real world....?500 is still a realistic budget for the build, ?600 would open it up a lot but ?500 is easily doable, for a decent machine now with good upgrade possibilities
[10:35] <@BC_Programming> heh
[10:36] <Ashley> ok well let me think about it
[10:36] <Ashley> and ill look around aswell
[10:36] <@Calum> yeah, definitely think about it, take your time
[10:36] <@jacky> Calum: does that include monitor?
[10:37] <@Calum> just letting you know that if you want someone to build it for you, I can do it...if not, I can still help you out, as can everyone else
[10:37] <@jacky> !g 500 pound in USD =
[10:37] <@Calum> jacky: nope, said a spare monitor was available for now
[10:37] <@jacky> so 500 pounds / 800 $ is just for the "box"
[10:37] <@jacky> right?
[10:37] <@Calum> plus mouse and keyboard
[10:38] <@jacky> plus?
[10:38] <@jacky> not included then
[10:38] <@BC_Programming> plush possum
[10:38] <@Calum> sorry - ioncluding
[10:38] <@Calum> *including
[10:38] <@jacky> ah
[10:38] <@Calum> including mouse, keyboard and OS
[10:38] <@jacky> but mouse and kb are usually cheap, right?
[10:38] <@jacky> os?
[10:38] <@jacky> Win 7?
[10:38] <@jacky> wow
[10:38] <@jacky> how much is the os?
[10:38] <@Calum> ?75
[10:38] <@jacky> that's all?
[10:38] <@jacky> I thought it was like a couple hundred bucks
[10:38] <@jacky> interesting
[10:39] <@jacky> !g 75 pounds in usd =
[10:39] <@Calum> mouse and keyboard can be cheap, if you want low quality...I went with a decent logitech wireless, laser, rechargable set
[10:39] <@Calum> just for a first draft
[10:39] <@jacky> excellent
[10:39] <@jacky> laser?
[10:39] <@Calum> mouse is a laser model, uses laser to track
[10:40] <@Calum> more accurate than optical supposedly
[10:40] <@Calum> I use a laser mouse, I love it
[10:40] <@jacky> interesting
[10:40] <@jacky> phone
[10:40] <@jacky> got to go
[10:40] <@jacky> see you all later
[10:40] <@jacky> I enjoyed
[10:40] <@jacky> tnx
[10:40] <@BC_Programming> k
[10:40] <@Calum> later jacky
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[10:40] <@Calum> I forgot how to convert volts, amps, watts....I feel stupid
[10:41] <@Calum> watts = amps x volts, right?
[10:41] <@BC_Programming> err... sounds right
[10:41] <@BC_Programming> heh
[10:41] <@Calum> !g 80 / 12
[10:41] <@Calum> hmmm
[10:41] <@Calum> actually that looks about ok
[10:42] <@Calum> oh no wonder FF was lagging I opened about 100 tabs by accident
[10:42] <@Calum> hence why I was asking in here rather than Googling it
[10:43] <@BC_Programming> I have around 60 tabs open right now myself
[10:43] <@Calum> I had FF using over 1GB of RAM the other day
[10:43] <@Calum> heading up to 2GB
[10:44] <@BC_Programming> Mines just under half a gig
[10:44] <@Calum> had something like 60 Youtube tabs open, playing videos....
[10:44] <@BC_Programming> heh
[10:44] <@Calum> Firefox at 80% CPU, 1.5GB RAM and growing....never thought I'd see it heh
[10:45] <@Calum> on reflection it might have been better to just do one at a time
[10:45] <@BC_Programming> well, if it makes you feel an better, it will crash around 2GB
[10:46] <@Calum> heh
[10:48] <@Calum> back soon, food
[10:48] <Ashley> ok
[11:10] <@Calum> back
[11:20] <Ashley> welcome
[11:22] <@Calum> thanks
[11:24] <@Calum> brb again
[11:31] <@Calum> and back
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[12:06] <Mulreay> Hello everyone..
[12:09] <@Calum> hey mulreay
[12:26] <Mulreay> hi Calum sorry was messing with my site..
[12:31] <@Calum> no worries, was just on the phone then
[12:32] <Mulreay> You have a good christmas?
[12:32] <@Calum> it wasn't too bad thanks, you?
[12:45] <Mulreay> yeah in london at the mo with my parents.
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[13:07] <camerongray> Hi All
[13:10] <@Calum> hey
[13:10] <camerongray> Hey Calum
[13:10] <camerongray> I'm happy - I just spent my christmas money and bought a new Mobo, CPU and RAM
[13:11] <@Calum> heh nice
[13:11] <@Calum> what did you get?
[13:11] <camerongray> Not the best but seems fast...
[13:11] <camerongray> Athlon II x4 620
[13:11] <@Calum> great value
[13:11] <camerongray> 2gb RAM - I'll get more soon
[13:11] <camerongray> I'm using the onboard GeForce 6100 for now until I can afford a new card
[13:12] <@Calum> that's cool
[13:12] <@Calum> nice
[13:12] <camerongray> Is that quite a good PC then?
[13:13] <@Calum> yeah the 620's a good CPU, unbeatable for the price
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[13:16] <camerongray[1]> brb - rebooting
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[13:25] <@Calum> wb
[13:25] <camerongray> thanks
[13:25] <camerongray> How was your Christmas?
[13:25] <@Calum> not bad thanks, as Christases go...I'm not a big fan to be honest
[13:25] <@Calum> yours?
[13:25] <@Calum> *Christmases
[13:25] <camerongray> Good thanks
[13:25] <camerongray> hehehe - Scrooge
[13:25] <@Calum> heh yep
[13:26] <camerongray> I always eat too much :)
[13:26] <@Calum> heh me too but I keep losing weight
[13:27] <camerongray> I don't loose weight but I am like a skeliton
[13:27] <@Calum> try being 9.5 stone and 6ft 1 :)
[13:28] <camerongray> I'm 7 stone and 5ft 6
[13:29] <@Calum> hm yeah that's pretty skinny heh
[13:29] <camerongray> lol
[13:48] <@Calum> I'm off for now, catch you later
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[13:54] <Ashley> im back
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[14:00] <camerongray> wb Ashley
[14:00] <camerongray> hey Two-Eyes
[14:00] <Ashley> thanks
[14:01] <Two-Eyes> hiya :D
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[15:13] <@jacky> ok.. ChanbotII is windrop
[15:13] <@jacky> will run on XP just fine
[15:13] <@jacky> I think it *is* on XP now
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[15:13] <VitezCG> ok
[15:14] <@jacky> !seen calum
[15:14] <VitezCG> ic
[15:14] <@jacky> and.. there's a problem
[15:14] <@jacky> heheeh
[15:14] <@jacky> should only do that once
[15:14] <@jacky> brb

Session Start: Sat Dec 26 15:14:44 2009
Session Ident: #glitchpc
[15:14] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[15:14] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here.'
[15:14] * Set by Calum on Wed Dec 09 05:59:26
[15:14] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here.'
[15:14] * Set by Calum on Wed Dec 09 05:59:26
[15:14] <@jacky> !seen calum
[15:14] <VitezCG> was last seen quitting #glitchpc 1 hour 25 minutes ago
[15:15] <VitezCG> ok
[15:15] <VitezCG> calum tho thought it was u
[15:15] <VitezCG> lol
[15:15] <@jacky> that was in answer to me asking about a specific user... Calum
[15:15] <@jacky> heheeh
[15:15] <@jacky> ok.. that's "seen"
[15:15] <@jacky> say a "bad" word
[15:15] <@jacky> let's see what you get
[15:15] <@jacky> the bot knows me... so testing that is not so easy for me
[15:15] <VitezCG> <censored>
[15:15] <VitezCG> wow
[15:15] <VitezCG> omg
[15:15] <@jacky> if you do it again, you will be kicked
[15:16] <VitezCG> thats nice
[15:16] <VitezCG> nice ncie
[15:16] <VitezCG> <censored>
[15:16] * VitezCG was kicked by ChanbotII (Bad word detected. (**) :: [Sat Dec 26 15:16:06 2009] - Banned 0 minutes -6-)
[15:16] <@jacky> if you do it the third time, you get banned
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[15:16] <VitezCG> wow
[15:16] <@jacky> 3 is a ban
[15:16] <VitezCG> amazing bot
[15:16] <@jacky> if you behave for a long enough time, it forgets the first two
[15:16] <VitezCG> i c
[15:16] <@jacky> so.. if you come back next week or soemthing, and slip up, you do not get nailed with a ban
[15:16] <@jacky> many bots do that
[15:16] <@jacky> I don't like that
[15:16] <VitezCG> hahahaah
[15:17] <@jacky> the bans, we've set to be only 24 hours
[15:17] <@jacky> that gives us time to examien, and decide if we want to extend
[15:17] <@jacky> I don't like bots to ban people forever
[15:17] <@jacky> I prefer the bot to take off it's own ban
[15:17] <@jacky> just in case
[15:17] <@jacky> so.. you'd asked about that...
[15:17] <VitezCG> how much is that bot?
[15:17] <@jacky> what do you mean?
[15:17] <VitezCG> to buy it online i mean
[15:17] <@jacky> it is free
[15:18] <@jacky> ChanbotII is a Windrop
[15:18] <@jacky> the "cost" is in the time to learn how to set it up. :)
[15:18] <VitezCG> oh ok
[15:18] <VitezCG> so where u get that one?
[15:18] <@jacky> next... do something like dumb people do.. send a bunch of exclamation points or Zzzz
[15:18] <@jacky> one time
[15:19] <VitezCG> ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:19] <VitezCG> wo
[15:19] <VitezCG> wow
[15:19] <VitezCG> thats the coolest one i seen
[15:19] <@jacky> now trying YELLING
[15:19] <VitezCG> can it be renamed?
[15:19] <VitezCG> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[15:19] * VitezCG was kicked by ChanbotII (Letter repeats detected, do not use excess consecutive letters and/or characters. (9+ consecutive a's) :: [Sat Dec 26 15:19:24 2009] - Banned 0 minutes -7-)
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[15:19] <VitezCG> cool thing
[15:19] <@jacky> it saw that as repeating letters
[15:19] <@jacky> not yelling
[15:19] <@jacky> sorry.. I should have said. not to repeat the same letter
[15:19] <@jacky> just type a sentence in all caps
[15:20] <VitezCG> I MEAN A NICE GUY
[15:20] * VitezCG was kicked by ChanbotII (Excess CAPS detected. (76% of 17 chars) :: [Sat Dec 26 15:20:36 2009] - Banned 0 minutes -8-)
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[15:20] <@jacky> hehehe
[15:20] <VitezCG> thats is amazing
[15:20] <@jacky> stand by one
[15:20] <@jacky> ok
[15:20] <@jacky> what city are you somewhat near?
[15:21] <VitezCG> chicago
[15:21] <@jacky> !weather chicago il
[15:21] <VitezCG> ur joking ?
[15:21] <VitezCG> omg
[15:21] <@jacky> !forecast chicago
[15:21] <VitezCG> cooolest thing ever
[15:21] <@jacky> !sky chicago ill
[15:21] <VitezCG> !rome
[15:21] <VitezCG> brb phone
[15:22] <@jacky> ok
[15:22] <@jacky> !help
[15:24] <Ashley> is that Canbot a php bot ?
[15:24] <@jacky> Ashley: Windrop
[15:25] <VitezCG> jacky: so can i dl that specific one?
[15:25] <Ashley> ok jacky
[15:25] <@jacky> VitezCG: the bot?
[15:25] <VitezCG> yep
[15:25] <@jacky> or the add ons we've been playign with?
[15:25] <@jacky> http://windrop.sourceforge.net
[15:25] <@jacky> for the bot
[15:25] <VitezCG> yeah the chanbotil one
[15:25] <@jacky> VitezCG: you *must* be prepared to spend some time reading and learning though
[15:25] <@jacky> it is NOT hard
[15:26] <@jacky> it is a volume of stuff
[15:26] <VitezCG> oh i c
[15:26] <@jacky> there is just a lot of stuff, and sometimes to find the thing you want/need, you must wade through it all
[15:26] <@jacky> :)
[15:26] <@jacky> I'll be glad to help you, *if* you are willing to read and learn
[15:26] <VitezCG> got ya
[15:26] <VitezCG> yes,ill come back later
[15:26] <VitezCG> or monday
[15:26] <@jacky> often, I'm here
[15:27] <@jacky> you know /whois command?
[15:27] <@jacky> you can find me
[15:27] <@jacky> :)
[15:27] <VitezCG> great ill remember the channel
[15:27] <VitezCG> yes
[15:27] <@jacky> cool
[15:27] <VitezCG> ty so much forhelp
[15:27] <VitezCG> cya:)
[15:27] <@jacky> you are very welcome
[15:27] <@jacky> bye for now
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[16:07] <Ashley> i feel bored
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[17:18] <Ashley> Hello everybody
[17:27] <@jacky> Ashley: Hello
[17:27] <Ashley> hi
[17:27] <@jacky> up late again?
[17:27] <@jacky> :)
[17:28] <Ashley> yes!!!
[17:28] <Ashley> lol
[17:28] <@jacky> have you picked through that website Calum mentioned, and lined up the components you want?
[17:28] <@jacky> :)
[17:29] <Ashley> well i dont think im going to do that
[17:29] <Ashley> it may be very good but i dont think im going to go with that
[17:29] <@jacky> changed your mind already?
[17:29] <Ashley> yes but i will do it another time
[17:29] <@jacky> cool
[17:29] <Ashley> because soon i will want another pc lol
[17:30] <@jacky> always....
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[18:24] <Ashley> hi jacky
[18:24] <@jacky> Ashley: Hello
[18:25] <Ashley> dont know what to do
[18:25] <@jacky> about... what?
[18:25] <Ashley> ? what
[18:25] <@jacky> what ?
[18:26] <Ashley> i dont know what to do
[18:26] <@jacky> about ... what?
[18:26] <Ashley> what do you mean about what
[18:26] <Ashley> i just dont know what to do lol
[18:26] <@jacky> it is in response to your statement
[18:26] <@jacky> you don't know what to do about what??
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[18:26] <Ashley> like to entertain myself
[18:26] <@jacky> Ashley: reading is good
[18:27] <@jacky> thienhavodit: Hello
[18:27] <Ashley> could do that
[18:27] <@jacky> it is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick
[18:27] <@jacky> :)
[18:29] <Ashley> ye true
[19:00] <Ashley> hanky the christmas poo
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[19:50] <Ashley> Hello
[19:53] <Ashley> yes ive register my nick :D
[20:00] <Ashley> anyone there ?
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